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I bought a new laptop online in January of 2007, and it arrived 2 weeks later. I’m usually the on-the-run kind of guy; going to work, then coffee shop, then late evening classes or the GYM if time permits. I would get a new MP3 player every year from Future Shop, cause none of the MP3 players I’ve previously owned could live through this rigorous weekly regime.

It was no hassle at all to replace the MP3 players, and I didn’t mind to pay a little more to replace for these small ticketed items. Often than most, many of the staff would smile and politely say that “we can exchange this for you with either a store credit, or an MP3 player at a similar price.” Sometimes the MP3 players that I would get won’t have the same features that I enjoyed in the previous MP3 player, however this is a small price to pay since you’re getting it for almost nothing (when you figure in the initial cost of the MP3 player, and the ever rising internal flash memory capacity, and it’s depreciation value, and in some cases an irreplaceable internal battery, it’s almost worthless within a few years). So, no biggie I didn’t really mind paying the extra few bucks in getting it insured under the Future Shop warranty plan.

But as for the laptop: 319.05 bucks for a warranty! Looking back now, it was money that has gone to waste (with the same amount you can either get a new laptop LCD screen (if by some unholy reason should it get damaged), OR a new SATA hard drive if it conks out on you, OR a new keyboard +++ other plastics and bezels if you get a scratch or a ding, OR a new battery if the battery was to lose its juice, OR a new DVD-R laptop drive if your original just stops reading….). But before I get in my ranting, let’s go far back, to the time before I ever knew this site existed.

“We’re here when you need us.”

I bought my extended warranty from a Future Shop sales representative at the Future Shop store 086 (Just to be fair for the guys who work there, I won’t mention any last names). My sales representative is named Hassan and he was very polite when I approached him with my questions concerning Laptop warranties. We covered every angle of the warranty together; he even gave me his Future Shop business card if any questions were to arise concerning the warranty. I even selected a well padded laptop case that would protect my investment from all the elements. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think he could have gotten commission for both of those items. Good for him, he earned it.

All of January, and early February it was freezing. Traveling from one place to another, or just picking some groceries from the store, I kept my laptop bag in a secure and freezing compartment of my trunk -away from the climate controlled cabin of the car, and away from prying eyes of thieves. I thought it would be a sure way of keeping it safe.

Two weeks later, a crack on the top right corner started forming, and liquid like stuff started to spread behind the glass. I suspect that the cold and hot temperatures or maybe moisture build up (from coffee shop to trunk, then to 4 hours of none stop work, and then back to the trunk) seems to be taking a toll on my laptop.

A friend of mine who builds computers and websites for a living took a look at my laptop, and told me that I should see an LCD specialist, and pointed out a repair shop in the West Island (Montreal). The repair man (Mikhal) told me that I need to replace the LCD, and that a job like this would cost 400 dollars! (Wow, almost half of the price of the laptop!). I told him that the laptop was still under warranty, and that if it was ever opened it, it would void the warranty. He suggested that I should speak to the sales rep about this, and that the LCD screen should be covered under the warranty. He said that the crack could have been caused by extreme changes of temperature, but it is more likely that it was cause by a pressure point (pointing to the cracked LCD screen). However there was no evidence that would lead to suggest something like that was to happen (the laptop top cover had no markings, nor did the keyboard). He wished me good luck and I was on my way.

I proceeded to call my sales rep.

When I called him up, I was on hold for a long time. A lady told me to call back. I did, and I was on hold again…

“We’ll help diagnose the problem.”

The crack started to spread, and so the laptop stays at home on dual monitor support. It’s late February and Hassan hasn’t called back. A few days later, I turned on the computer and Vista doesn’t want to load up. When I Google the symptoms, I read in a trouble shooting article that Vista was in an “endless reboot” loop. It also mentioned steps in how to alleviate this problem by pressing F8 on Vista boot up, and then disabling the “automatic restart” feature. I wanted to get confirmation about what I should do before following the suggestions on the website. I then called the technician at the Future Shop and asked what I should do with the LCD, and the constant reboot problem. After repeated attempts in reaching the technician, I finally go through and explained my problems. First he mentions that they’ve been having similar problems with the computers, and suggested that I backup all my files and proceed to reinstall the software. After backing up my software, I used (the suggested software) HP’s Total Care recovery program and returned my computer to the proper factory default settings. Now it works beautifully but no more of my previously installed programs. That’s ok, it’s almost new. As for the LCD screen I had to go the Future Shop for him to see it. Unfortunately, he didn’t give me his name (CLICK!).
When I arrived at Future Shop, I saw my sales rep behind the cash register serving a customer. The customer, a middle aged woman, was buying a new keyboard and Hassan was there ready with the “Product Service Plan” pamphlet. I stood there and waited for him to finish. The lady was in a hurry and agreed to buy the service plan without taking a look at the pamphlet. She swiped her credit card, and she was gone. Hassan turned to me, and I asked if he remembered me from a month before, about the warranty on my laptop. He them asked me what was wrong. I told him everything. But when I was telling him my story, he was going through my receipts without caring what I had to say.

Without saying a word, he turned around and knocked on the window and pointed to a technician behind the glass, and then pointed to me. The Future Shop technician then comes out, and starts talking to another customer waiting for her laptop to be fixed. Hassan leaves, and without telling me anything. The new technician (no-name, the guy wasn’t wearing a name tag) takes a break from the other customer, and proceeds to talk to me. I tell him the same thing that I told the Hassan, and direct me to a 1-800-HP INVENT number, and said that “I should get a service number, before coming back here.” Short and effective, but I got the idea: I am a stupid customer that behaves like a punching bag every time you throw a rude comment or gesture. The technician then returns to the lady waiting for her laptop.

Throughout this whole ordeal, I was calm, polite, and I did not raise my voice. Maybe I have to for the next time.

“Complete your gift with a Product Service Plan”

“… ensure your recipient will always enjoy their product and to protect them against expensive repair costs.”

After having been on hold at HP, I was told that the damage to the laptop was self inflicted and that I had to pay for the repair and replacement.

So I got swindled out of 319 bucks. The warranty is useless. Future Shop has a “take no responsibility” warranty policy on all their big ticketed items (many sources on this website). Now, I’m having memory problems… With a broken LCD, and an impending doom of constant reboot problem syndrome, I think this warrants’ a replacement under the “no lemon” policy. Wrong… software problems are not covered by the policy, according to the no-name Future Shop technician, even when the laptop is setup in its factory default settings. PLEASE SEE MANUFACTURE. The warranties program, customer service, and in store personal are all phony. Floor personal are all out there for their’ own (commissioned) interests.

PS. To the guy/gal who works at Future Shop “Dear Future Shop Customers,” find a real job that doesn’t harbor deceitful liars.

Mar 16, 4:00 AM —

12 Responses to “Found in the comments section.”

In all honesty I dont think any retail store or warranty company would cover your laptop. Keeping it in the freezing car is probably what cracked the laptop screen, almost all warranty companies would see this as neglegence on your part, and they wont cover it because it’s seen as physical damage caused by you.
I’m not saying any of this to defend Futurecrap, I’m just saying there is only so much the insurance companies will cover, and unless you have some sort of accidental warranty that covers physical damage, stuff like this will come out of your pocket.
When buying extra warranty for computers, make sure the warranty you are getting is insured first of all(in case the company goes under) and make sure it covers everything you want it to. I’m not sure if futureshop has any accidental warranties but I know there are some out there that cover physical damage(ususally costs a lot of cash though)
Sorry to hear abou the laptop, best thing to do is keep is away from the extreme elements next time. And next time give the futurecrap guys a shot to the head if they give you the runaround like that again.

I hate to say it but leaving your laptop in extreme temp like you did and it breaking would probably be considered neglegence on your part. I dont think any computer store would cover that under warranty unless you had some sort of accidental damage plan. Of course they could have been a little more usefull when you had questions, brushing you off like that was really stupid on thier part and it shows the kind of service they really provide

Wow, you know what? I came to this website pissed off about my laptop, but now that I read all these comments, I’m beginning to realize that, though some of you have real concerns about the quality of the service at Future Shop, many of you are just acting like spoiled brats throwing a temper tantrum. I’ve had issues just like all of you, but not getting a free laptop when you freeze your old one is not a realistc concern. Not being given a new DVD player 6 months after you bought the original is not a realistic concern. On top of that, when you go in to the store and yell at the 18 year old girl working behind the counter, or make threats against the person just trying to figure out why the person in front of them, who looks like an adult, is screaming and going on like a six year old, and they don’t smile sweetly and immediately bow to your every whim, what do you expect. I came here with the hope that, despite the juvenile title, this might be a respite for people with legitimate concerns, and ideas on how to obtain a satisfactory resloution, but instead I have found a daycare centre for the emotionally, and mentally infantile.

Great explanation of the entire scenario, and very responsible of you to accept the blame for the most part.

Sure maybe you didn’t drop it, take a hammer to it… But you also didn’t baby it… and you know it.
From the sounds of it, you don’t baby your MP3 players either… haha

I am absolutely sure if this Hassan was that good of a sales rep in explaining things he would have told you that there warranty only covers what the manufacturer warranty doesn’t cover.

Exclusions to this warranty are:
1. Physical damage
2. Liquid damage
3. Cosmetic damage
4. Software conflicts.

For the 1st year your laptop is covered under HP’s warranty, 2nd and 3rd year your laptop is solely covered under Future Shops insurance.

Insurance won’t pay out for those exclusions, So of course Future Shop isn’t going to take the $1000-$3000 hit on it if HP won’t even touch it.
How would they recoup the $$ in the end, and still remain in business?
However if you burned out a DVD-RW drive, or harddrive 2-4 times a year, for 2 years to 3 years… you can bet your $ they would have given you a new one, or would have kept on fixing it at your request.

Your better off taking your fight directly to HP, because in the end they’re the only ones who can replace your laptop right over the counter with that sort of damage being so apparently self inflicted…

And if not, then I’m sure they can point you to the page where it says don’t leave your laptop in weather below so and so degrees for a certain period of time. ;)

I’ve used the Future Shop insurance before on my laptops, and have never been jerked around on them. I’ve even received replacements after so many repairs with no hassles, and in most cases got something brand spanking new technology wise!

If I’ve done something wrong in the maintenance, or accidentally mishandled it the last person I’m gonna rag on is the customer service rep, the technician, or the sales rep because they would clearly see if they had half a brain that I’m just trying to recoup my $2000 over negligence…

Don’t get me wrong, I’m no Future Shop fan… but I think if your gonna complain and bitch at least have something that sounds completely unfair and scrupulous to share here.

Just my 2 cents!

Well as to what PrairieFire was saying, I do not like them because I get bad service out of them. I was in Future Shop a while back at night looking for a new television, and three sales people were sitting on boxes around the till just ignoring me. So after a few minutes looking at the television wanting to know more I took the tag off of the shelf and approached them asking how many they had in stock. They said two and went back to talking with each other. It was an odd experience, so I put the tag back and left the store.

These were the sales people too, not the merch team. Douchebags.

“The customer, a middle aged woman, was buying a new keyboard and Hassan was there ready with the “Product Service Plan” pamphlet.”
They dont have product service plan on keyboards…

“All of January, and early February it was freezing. Traveling from one place to another, or just picking some groceries from the store, I kept my laptop bag in a secure and freezing compartment of my trunk -away from the climate controlled cabin of the car, and away from prying eyes of thieves. I thought it would be a sure way of keeping it safe.”
You’re kidding, and thats not improper use? why would you keep your product in freezing temperature in trunk of your car? Are you freaking insane? Next time go read on a little about your product and how to use it and may be keep it at room temperature? I can ensure you it will last longer then 2 weeks.

As much as I hate Future Shop and their lies, they’re not responsible for this.

I worked at HP several years ago and we’d get calls like this all the time from people that bought an extended warranty from Future Shop but couldn’t get them to do any work. And for the first year which it falls under the HP warranty, Future Shop is not supposed to even touch the PC or laptop unless it’s to give it to the customer. After this 1 year period FS is then supposed to do any and all repairs as part of the extended warranty they sold you.

But more often than not they’d tell the customer to call us for extended warranty help. We’d then have to inform the customer that it was FS that sold them this warranty and not HP and any problem they had would need to be taken up with FS. We’d even get FS techs calling us asking that we take care of the customers because they couldn’t fix the problem.

Like so many others have said… your a douche if you leave your laptop in extreme temperatures. You bought a service plan on failed hardware, not accidental ignorance. Common sense should dictate that you don’t leave electronics out in the cold, ha ha.

Hassan is a sales man. His expertise is helping you make a decision about what computer your gonna like the best. He isn’t technical support.

If Futureshop is at any fault its in that Hassan must have not clearly explained to you that your own damage is not covered. Kinda sad that he would have too. It’s pretty plain to see.

Ford wouldn’t cover you wrapping your truck around a tree.

Should one buy the extended warranty future shop offers on their electronic products?? Only if you plan on getting your money back at sometime in the future. Here is the long and happy ending story of a sorts.

On December 12, 2005 I purchased a monitor with all the bells and whistle on sale for $599.96 (it was regularly almost $900 but it was an open box store demo) and a 5 year warranty for $169.99. About 4 weeks ago the DVI input died and I took the monitor in (hoping to get a replacement that day). No such luck. So I was without a monitor for almost 4 weeks. Today I receive a call from future shop saying that the monitor can’t be repaired and the will do a PSP Exchange (from what the person on the phone said, it was to be exchanged for a monitor with similar features). So far so good. So I go down to the store and find that the features I had on my monitor are not available on any monitor lower than a 27″ (not even the 27″ had all the features my old 21″ had it but had the most important ones that I needed). So the sales person is all set to do the exchange but tells me that the product warranty can’t be transfered to the new monitor and it will cost me an extra $300 even though it was good until December 2010 (so I figure that is not too bad). Just as we are about to get everything finalized, the manager comes over and says “Nope, we can’t give you the 27″ monitor for in the place for the one you have”. The sales person mentions that it is their policy to exchange feature for feature and this one is the closest they have that has all the features my old monitor had, but in the end gives in and tells me “Sorry Ash has the final say”. So at this point I demand a refund and they are offering me a store credit (like I will shop there again), which I refuse and ask for a full refund which about 20 minutes later (and I actually had to argue with them to get my refund and not a store credit or some other such nonsense). What was the refund amount you may ask?? $885.45.

So lets due some math here:

1. the 27″ monitor was retailing for $999 (not on sale or anything which means that the cost was likely less than the $885.45 they refunded me in the end)
2. the warranty would have costed me an extra $300 (which would have been a sale for future shop and a satisfied customer which would have bought stuff later at their store (over the past year I spend an excess of $4000 at future shop and was planning on buying a notebook, along with a digital SLR, in the very near future).

instead the result was

3. me walking out of there with a refund on $885.45, a bitter customer who will not shop there again,

Basically for a couple of hundred dollars a manager costed the store thousands in future sales and I will tell my story to whoever chooses to listen advising them to chose wisely where they chose to shop.

I still want to know what PSP Exchange means as I still own a few products which has another 3-4 years warranty on them. Being the stupid consumer I am, and trusty of the warranties offered by future shop, I purchased an extended warranty on every electronic product over $200 that I ever purchased from future shop and this was the first time I ever need to use it and what happens??? Bad bad experience with their warranty plans.

On the plus side Gateway is offering the exact monitor I had for $479 so I will likely order it from them and I’ll be back to a happy person :-)

A dis-satisfied customer from the store on 50 Gateway Park Drive in Kitchener, Ontario.

I wonder where battery life comes into play? Hi all, my name is Mike. I’m check out the site for my own info. To tell you the truth I just started to work for Future Shop… yea, don’t start screaming yet. I’m actually a film production student at Concordia University. Which rocks woooooooooooo.

I’m sure this is probably the wrong thread to post this comment, but Oh well, seems like people read this enough… maybe the admin will let me post some stuff too :D

So yea, sorry to hear about the laptop. That definetly falls in the grey zone of warrenty, but I’m sure they’ll manage a way to say, no deal, its your fault. But imagine if its your battery. NOW if you charge it and dont take care of it properly, is it your fault for not keeping the charge? or is the battery need more charging time to keep the charge?

The reason why I ask this is because I often find people complaining about batteries. And mostly get returns for no reason..

Anyway, I’m putting the cosmic question out there… Does everyone see a company when talking to a sales associates.. or am I not a person anymore? Because seriously, I feel like shit every time I help someone because they don’t look at me like a real person.. just someone trying to fuck them out of their money… why? Seriously, I love to help people, but I don’t get taken seriously.

DBXMe2 – I depends really on the person. I also worked at a store, which after leaving makes me view the whole situation a bit differently when buying things. Sales associates are there to make money either for themselves, or for the company. As such they are just part of the corporation, no matter how nice they are… It is just their job.

I briefly read all of the comments, and read through all of your story. To be honest Futureshop is not to blame for the problem BUT that does not mean that you can loose out just yet. Go to the technician again BUT do not listen to what he has to say. Future Shop can send out laptops under HP and Compaq warranties for you, you DO NOT have to call the 1 800 HP INVENT or 1 800 OK COMPAQ (not sure about the exact compaq number i think thats it) by yourself. Go up to the tech and tell him that you want him/her to send it out for you with the problem being listed as a STRESS CRACK on the LCD. Please make sure they use the exact words and please make sure that it is actually sent out to HP. Over the phone they cannot diagnose if it is a stress crack or a regular crack so having it sent to a HP tech is very important. Try that, if it does work then you just got a new screen. If it doesnt work than atleast you tried. Most of the time people will luck out though.

Srry for the long post .. lol
and Good Luck

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