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Before someone notes that Best Buy bought FS, I know but they still present themselves as ‘Canadian’(which makes me sick!)

 

Anywhoo, here is my story which is sad but very true.

I buy an HP DV3, 13.1″ July 2009 with a free  windows 7 upgrade n Oct 2009 .  The entire computer was overheating and the fan noise was louder than my TV.  It was slow and even though I had Vista, the hardware should’ve mitigated most of the slowdown; I assume this was due to overheating which explains the fan.  On a side,   HP computers are garbage, due to  poor & inconsistent build quality and too much bloat-ware,  but because FS gets kick backs from HP, they will always push them which is scandalous.   I only did a little research, more so on hardware but did not question HP (I assume the biggest PC maker in the world has good product, how wrong I was..FAIL on me, I know). 

When I tried to exchange it within the 30 days, I could tell from the response that FS knew the DV3 model/generation was a dud (I couldn’t even find my computer on the floor from what I could tell…ipso facto, the HP Dv3 is crapto).  There was no ‘can we fix’ but automatic exchange.  i.e. there is known problem we can’t fix  but HP is money so let’s keep suckling the teet…FAIL

Doesn’t seem like a gripe e-mail about FS right?  Well here is the kicker.  I exchange my HP ‘CrapV3′ for a beautiful Samsung R522 (dedicated video card , Bluetooth, gorgeous display, great build quality, dual core T6500).  I confirm with the sales rep that I will get the Windows 7 upgrade still,he confirms, so  no problemo.  I was told just bring it in around Oct and I will get my upgrade FROM FUTURESHOP.    I bring it in  a few months later and I hand it to a service guy, who takes it to the back for only 2 – 5 minutes. He comes back and asks me to enter some of my mailing info.  WHY?? WHAT??  “oooh” he explains, “we don’t give the upgrade, Saumsung via Microsoft will send a disc.”  I fill out my info and then I’m given the brush off and told to ’trust them…’. I go home and go online to a site which the FS rep tells me is like UPS/Fedex tracking for windows 7 upgrades.  I go to the site and there is nothing about windows 7 under my tracking number, all it says is something about ‘the computer needs servicing’  I phone Samsung and they tell me that they don’t know about ‘regional offers’ but they were aware of an upgrade through microsoft but the disc could take 3-6 months to ship, if everything works out…whaaa?  Since I bought from FS, not Samsung or Microsoft  I call Futureshop and get a call center in texas (hmmm….Best buy connection? Duh!), she was actually really helpful and gave me the number to speak to someone in Canada.  I’m thinking ‘All I need to do is speak canuck to canuck and problem solved.’ Nope, they were complete morons and even admitted that what FS did could be seen as misleading BUT the REAL villain is Microsoft via the manifacturer…it’s pretty easy to point fingers at microsoft eh.  I explain to them that my relationship  was not with either of the third parties mentioned and if future shop can honour the upgrade promise I would be more than happy to continue buying from them and not hold any grudges (i sincerely meant this because I like FS product selection which is always better than Best buys I find). Nope.  I’m told to e-mail tech support but before I do, I need to contact Microsoft and/or Samsung because FS isn’t responsible… FAIL

<<Important note on Business/Customer Relationships >>  You look very unprofessional, but mainly dishonest, if you point fingers at someone else when you are the only party your customer has had any dealings with.   If you tried to run a scam like that on the street you’d lose a couple teeth, or worse because you can’t turn to someone and say ‘well yeah, I know I promised you something but see that guy over there, the 800 pound gorrilla (a.k.a Billy Gates’ Microsoft) your beef is with him’… FAIL.

Resolution? Of course, I’m a pit bull when it comes to getting justice…

 I  had the luxury of having enough free time to follow-up with FS and not letting it slide,  so I sent e-mails to the FS Tech support.  After having to reiterate my core issue 3 times via e-mail to 3 different tech people that FS needs to provide a solution and not just point fingers, I was contacted by my local store rep and I was told that I would get my Windows 7 upgrade from my local store. O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!  FS WIN!! YES, THE LITTLE GUY CAN GET A BREAK!! Ohhh, wait, there’s more…

… I show up at my local store and the person  I need isn’t around and of course, no ones knows anything about my problem and there is no other customer support people (5 guys, just standing around, who would love to sell me a laptop though…). Arghhh!!!! I’m told that the person I need will be in a few hours later and I should come back/wait around.  Not acceptable.   Then they tell me that I can get windows 7 for only $50 which is a big discount. Hmmm…Free = $0 so I don’t know how I’m getting a discount.    I show them the e-mail and they look confused and then they  tell me again, I have to pay. At which point, I raise my voice and inform them that one of their own associates had promised me the free upgrade in accordance with the original upgrade promise…more fumbling around and then someone finally just overrides the system so I can get my free copy.  If I hadn’t held my ground I could’ve waited for hours or paid $50 for something that should’ve been free. PIT BULL WIN!!

Lesson???  Do not give FS an inch, ever, they will take of advantage of you right off the bat.  I can’t stress this enough.   Be harsh and uber aggressive right away because they view kidness as weakness.   Don’t lie, because that can always backfire but get things in writing and NEVER BACK DOWN. Know when you’re right and when you, as a customer, have proper leverage.  If you don’t you can look like a douche and waste time but if you know justice is not being served, FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT!! 

I still shop at FS because Best Buy is NOT a substitute and is in fact worse based on my experience but how can a Canadian company FAIL so badly?

Yours trully,

Agizzle

20 Responses to “How can a canadian company FAIL so badly!!!”

I’m glad this blog is not censored or owned by FS(which someone suggested earlier) Vive la revolution!!

So basically, you’re complaining that Future Shop gave you a free $150 full-version copy of Windows 7 because you couldn’t have been bothered to order the upgrade discs? These things take less that 2 weeks to arrive, and you don’t have to pay a cent.

HP is a very reliable brand, and from what I gather, you happened to get a dud, so they quickly facilitated an exchange for you (as apposed to keeping you waiting while a technician looks at it). They also gave you a totally different brand name — wouldn’t they want you to keep the same computer because of all the “kick-backs” they supposedly get?

How exactly were you taken advantage of…?

It’s a well known fact (and mentioned on all advertisements) that the free Windows 7 upgrade is through the manufacturer. Future Shop does not provide the disc they merely provide the free labour to upgrade the computer once you’ve already obtained the disc.

The actual software disc is provided by the manufacturer. For future reference you can find information on how to obtain your upgrade disc here: http://www.futureshop.ca/popup/windows7_lightbox02.asp

You are not special. If everyone else needs to contact the manufacturer then why shouldn’t you? Instead of accepting the fact that you’re not above everyone else you instead start screaming like a toddler (according to you).

Finally Future Shop is owned and operated by Best Buy. Both stores have identical policies, services, and products. Only the store names and colours have been changed.

Yessir…first off, HP quality ranking has been dropping almost monthly, as they release new models. Read the reviews on line, no one is recommending HP and user reviews are horrible. If it wasn’t for Best Buy and Best Buy North aka Future shop, HP would go bust. Dell is waaaay better. Secondly, the average time to receive the windows disk is no 2 weeks, I ordered it and waited for 4 weeks only to contact the manufacturer who told me it would take 6-12 weeks, in addition to the 4 but as I stated in my post, nothing was ever confirmed.
Lastly, the sales rep tried to get me into another HP but after reading reviews after the fact and my experience with my computer I told him NO HP ….FS will always corral the buyer to HP becaue of the rebates FS gets, that is a fact and sales guys have confirmed this. Why do you think they can drop a price so much to make a sale on the HP and still make a profit. You are soo naive or a moron. FYI: I paid $100 more for a computer that is 10 times better than the HP, FS doesn’t ‘help customers’ ever, they are always about the bottom line regardless of reputation. Your whole comment rests on the fundamental acceptance that the ‘big guy’ can mess with the little guy and we’re all sheep who need to accept the bullshit that is shoved on us. I’m not special but I don’t like getting fukced around and that is why I raised my voice.
YOU ARE A FS EMPLOYEE DUDE, OBVIOUS…FAIL

Prions, I`ve been on this blog long enough to know you are a shill, so your comments are mute a point and come across as lame(nice URL link you douche). The sales rep said nothing about the manufacturer and said, more or less, `Bring in the computer and you get the upgrade.´ How is it a well known fact that the upgrade is from the manufacturer dude if someone doesn’t inform the consumer properly.
You must be an FS employee because the basic understanding of the customer-retailer relationship seems to complex to handle.
I WOULD SAY IT IS A FAIL BUT YOUR ENTIRE EXISTENCE ON THIS BLOG IS A FAIL SO IT IS REDUNDANT AT THIS POINT…

…and Yessir, it was the upgrade disk, not a full copy. I never said that. The value to FS, by the receipt I was given is $40, if that. So based on how retail works, maybe FS is out $15, if that.

Oh, and you’re still a mega douche. Get off of FS’ syombolic ‘nuts’ and be a man. Messing over small consumers shouldn’t become a PR exercise to mitigate damage, they need to change how the operate…

One more thing…I ordered my disk over 6 weeks ago and still have not received it….what was that about 2 weeks? lol, you’re such an ass Yessir. I smell something…..is that pussy? I think so.
GET OFF THIS BLOG!!!!

Agizzle: Like I posted elsewhere, I was a Future Shop employee but quit to pursue school in a location with no Future Shop around. I work for a competitor now.

How do you know about Future Shop’s “rebates” from the manufacturer? I’m impressed that you have such high level access. The truth is that HP will sometimes fund the sales (partially) that you see in the flyers on their computers.

HP is still one of the largest manufacturers of computers on the planet. If they were as bad as you claim customer’s would soon stop buying them. I don’t dispute the claim that their repair rate seems to be higher (from surveys made public online) but the majority of customers are satisfied.

And while it’s unfortunate that the Future Shop salesperson miss communicated the upgrade process to you it seems like Future Shop went above and beyond in getting you an upgrade disc from store stock. That’s true customer service.

The HP-Best Buy connection is well known and I didn’t need any high level access, I just called out a number of sales guys and they admitted that they push HP products because the margin is higher. It is unfortunate that you, as a former employee, did no know this…I guess you just proved that FS employees are under educated about product and proper sales tactics(thanks!).

Secondly, your comment about HP is a joke…have you heard of a couple of car companies named chrysler and GM.Maybe not, let me educate you. They are/were heavy weights in global auto with the latter being the highest volume brand for decades.
Quality dropped and so did sale…combined with how Future Shop handles customer, the impact to the HP brand in canada is accelerated erosion…lol, let us see where HP is in 3 years…

And the nail in the coffin…read my posts. FS employees only reacted when I continually escalated the situation and pressed for a competent and complete resolution based on the sales tactics employeed by future shop. READ MY POSTS…your comment about ‘above and beyond’ is ridiculous and, with no disrespect, you come across as a shill for future shop and/or the victim of brain washing…

VIVE LA REVOLUTION!!!

oooh and for the two shills responding to my posts…still no upgrade disk…I’m sooo glad I stuck it to FS and got my disk…

Agizzle,
I’m sorry, but I just can’t take someone with poor grammar seriously, and I find the majority of your points invalid. I can’t speak for all Future Shop employees (I’m not one, by the way), but they aren’t -all- moron jackasses. I’ve met some very nice employees who have actually suggested other places to go if they can’t help me. Your emailing back and forth was obviously a huge miscommunication on their part, and you could probably get a written apology if you wanted one.
I read back to one of your posts, where you said you bought a TV and returned it after 31 days when the warranty was 30 days. They never promised flexibility with that, and you were told very clearly that it was 30 days only. If that 30 day rule applies to everyone else, why should you be treated differently?
You, Sir, appear to be a jackass. But I like the fact that you made a blog to voice your opinions.
~Marissa

If you’re going to claim something please provide proof. When you don’t it makes you look kinda dumb.

Why are you still posting about getting an upgrade disc? You already have one. Since you’re sitting on your high horse I would hope that you send the disc back to the manufacturer or Future Shop when you get it. It’s unethical to keep it when you already received one.

MARIZIPAN…what? This blog is by no means a formal letter to FS, nor should it be. Your comment on grammar is uber weak and a little sad. The grammar does not impact a readers ability to understand the argument and and all of the points noted are not exagerated so the truth will shine through. Sure, as an english essay my posts should be error free, but as a complaint against a horrible organization, meh, I don’t care and if you can’t see the forest through the trees, oh well…. and I never posted anything about MY TV, that was my response to another post…you madame are a complete jackass and need to read content and worry less about grammar…LOL. (fyi: this isn’t my blog, I just contribute…)

PRIONS…you are right, I have no solid proof. here is a real test anyone can do. Go into a FS and find two computers, one being an HP, that are the same price. Get a sales guy and ask which computer can be offered at a lower price. It will always be the HP unless a model is being discontinued and FS needs to move it off the floor.

But without proof I guess this is my speculation combined with EVERY BUYING EXPERIENCE WITH FUTURESHOP!!!

To see how FS is trully scammy, see the link: http://smartcanucks.ca/future-shop-salesman-responds-to-7-lies-article/

No proof, no argument. Moving on…..

GO AGGIZLE! YOU GO DOG! STICK IT TO THIS PIECE OF S**T COMPANY. F**KIN HATE FSHOP WITH A PASSION AND IM GONNA TELL EVRYONE I KNOW NOT TO SHOP THERE. I HAVE MORE FAITH IN WALMART. I CANT BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE COME ON HERE AND STICK UP FOR THE GODDAMN PLACE! DONT LET THOSE DICK HEADS DISCOURAGE YOU! FUTURE SHOP SUCKS THE D**K BIG TIME AND SO DO THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ONLY THERE TO SELL PRODUCT THAT THE CUSTOMER DOES NOT NEED SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE MORE MONEY ON THIER PAY CHECK, F**K YOU ALL – VIVE LA REVOLUTION!!! LOL

Agizzle,

I actually laughed pretty hard at your response, seeing as you basically lectured me on smaller parts of things I said, and missed the entire part where I said, “I read back to one of your posts where you said you bought a TV…” and called me a jackass for not noting that it was on a different post. I hope you can understand that I’m not taking very much that you say seriously, and that I’m also not posting to start a silly online argument. I just don’t think some of your points are valid because you treat a lot of the employees like animals and yell at them while stamping your feet. Of course they’ll do what you want if you make a huge scene and scare people. They were probably scared you’d shank them.
I don’t really care if you like Future Shop or not, or even what you reply to this, but I’m relieved that you aren’t the only person in charge of this blog. Just sayin’. And perhaps, to be fair, I wasn’t paying full attention to who wrote what post and who was responding, as I didn’t even realize that you weren’t the only one on futureshopsucks.com. In short, you were right about a few things, but bad grammar -does- have an impact on the reader if it’s really terrible. I was just poking fun.
Have a nice day.
~Marissa
And PS, I love my HP G60. It’s a good brand since they’ve fixed a lot of their bugs.

“Of course they’ll do what you want if you make a huge scene and scare people. They were probably scared you’d shank them.”

LOL

What was the point of your post again? To defend that you’re a fool who misquotes and misleads (hmmm, sorta like Future Shop)…fyi: raising your voice when you feel like you’re getting the run around is every consumers right and, I would argue, duty. I’m thankful that I live in a country that lets the little guy get some back.

The shanking part was kinda funny, if this was the late 90’s and you are some white kid from the burbs trying to be badass (let me guess, you swear a lot, listen to lil wayne and smoke Belmonts “cuz they’re cool” right?)…

I’m sorta done with this now…oh, and back to my ORIGINAL complaint, still no upgrade disc. I checked the tracking # and phone the manufacturer and again, nothing. No one knows anything just like before and FS customer support is still claiming I need to go back to the manufacturer and microsoft… so how long was I supposed to wait for the disk promised by FS before I “shank” someone.

Every day I don’t get my disk, it strengthens my arguement and justifies my approach to Futureshop.

Some people don’t like to get fucked but then again, I guess you’re a chick so you’re used to it…consider yourself Gizzled…
VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

Agizzle,

I hope it makes you happy when you pick on girls half your age. And for the record, I don’t listen to Lil’ Wayne, whomever that is, or smoke a “Belmont”, for that matter. Also, you realize that we live in the same country, right? I just thought I should point that out before I continue.
Screaming and stomping your feet isn’t a good way to get what you want, because it makes you look like you have a mental problem and need to seek anger management. I, again, had a jovial laugh at your response, though, so I must thank you for making my day complete. I’d like to ask a favour, though, so that you could give me an exact example from my previous posts of where I misquoted or mislead, so that I can clear up what you didn’t understand.
Also, I thoroughly enjoyed your last paragraph, where you actually thought I was taking this seriously, let alone cared what a complete stranger thought. Oh, and your “vive la revolution” catch-phrase, or whatever you think that’s supposed to be, is getting kind of old, as it wasn’t very creative in the first place.
Finally, I’d like to ask that you please go seek some psychiatric help if the only reason you hate Future Shop is because you got a faulty laptop and went through miscommunication with people who you treated like animals.
One last thing, actually. Disc is spelled with a ‘c’.
Consider yourself PWNED about as much as you seem to think I was “Gizzled” (which isn’t a word, nor a good made up one.)
~Marissa
P.S. Have a nice day. Really.

Shouting at people because you didn’t get to buy exactly what you wanted is never justified.

Be mature.

Well I can believe you were misled. And I agree that Futureshop has a lot of issues.

I have had several run ins with Futureshop and misinformation but I had my last straw after the laptop fiasco recently.

I was also advised 4 times by futureshop their customer service would call. NEVER DID.

So I have effected the income by using word of mouth. It has been very effective.

Overall customer service is terrible at futureshop, from managers on down. They are not knowledgeable, they do not tell the truth (because they are on commission and greed takes over) nor do they care about losing a customer. The problem is there aren’t enough people standing up saying “HEY WAIT A MINUTE!” or “WHY ARE YOU NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOUR EMPLOYEE SAYS?”

I have worked in retail, on the phone, and now I am a business analyst. Numbers and user needs are my living. And really Futureshop needs to assess the numbers.

That customer being misled can cost far more than the 150.00 for the disk. Companies truly need to learn this.

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